ZUMA STRIKES AGAIN

LATEST ROUND WITH ZUMA:

MY REPLY TO THE REVIEWER, THE REVIEWERS EMAIL TO ME, AND ZUMA'S EMAIL TO THE REVIEWER:

Hilts,

His idea that only Republicans show support for our troops is ludicrous at best. I've never heard such poppycock. His position is degrading to Democrats, Libertarians and Independents. There is nothing "subliminal". The icons DO NOT read Support President Bush, no matter how much he says they do.

America is at war on two fronts.

I don't think my Support the Troops icons are offensive to anybody; I don't think they constitute an agenda. They are mostly on ISQ's, that deal with caches in cemeteries that honor INdiana pioneers and veterans. There is NO "overt political posturing" as he claims.


This guy is mad at me because I deleted his finds on two puzzle caches where he did not complete the additional logging requirements. If my support of our soldiers and sailors is upsetting and distasteful to him, I'll be willing to bet he can't find a lot of geocachers who would admit to agreeing with him.

I'm not inclined to remove those image logos at this point in time. I will agree to removing the written statement in support of our troops and will begin deleting them. I did remove the word "Jihadistan" from the cache pages where I found it, so he is wrong there. Those ISQ cache pages were approved by at least four different reviewers with the logos on them. By my estimate there have been over 40,000 logs on ISQ's. His is the only complaint about the Troops logos.

I think it would be a shame if these caches, which have for the most part brought many geocachers a lot of fun and education (as evidenced by the logs) have to be archived because of one disgruntled individual.

That is my position on the matter at this time. I am not so rigid in my thinking that I cannot be persuaded to change my opinion, but so far I see no merit in his arguments. If Groundspeak considers urging Americans to generically support our Troops (not a particular war) is "right-wing propaganda"and a political agenda, then I guess I will have to see them archived. A shame.

Respectfully,
Rick, SixDogTeam

> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:33 -0400
> From: Reviewer.Hilts@gmail.com
> To: postman357@hotmail.com
> Subject: Fwd: [GEO] zuma! contacting Reviewer Hilts from Geocaching.com
>
> Hello,
>
> Me again. This guys not going to let up. Could you please edit your
> cache pages again to remove any political or support references.
> Although I see nothing wrong with it, it is against the guidelines for
> caches to have an agenda.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hilts
>
>
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> From: Geocaching
> Date: Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM
> Subject: [GEO] zuma! contacting Reviewer Hilts from Geocaching.com
> To: reviewer.hilts@gmail.com
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have recently posted a couple of SBA's on your right winger down
> there, and am interested in what your take is on it.
>
> My view is that geocaching is not about politics, and that his overt
> political posturing is distasteful and unsettling. I am OK with a
> folks having their own views on politics, and wouldnt say anything if
> it was just a bit here and there, but his cache pages are way over the
> top of what is acceptable. There really should not be any politics at
> all on the cache page.
>
> There is no need to stick 2 "Support Our Troops" graphics on every
> cache page. Of course most people, do support the troops, including
> myself, but why do we need right wing propaganda to tell us to do
> that, and what does it have to do with the game of geocaching? Part
> of the problem with the "Support Our Troops" icons he has on there, is
> that Republicans have co-opted support of our brave troops as being
> support for their party, and for George Bush. So the subliminal
> message of "Support Our Troops" can translate into a plea to support
> George Bush, which many people do not.
>
> Further, I find his use of the word "Jihadastan" to be very wrong. He
> did delete it from the 2 pages that I put an SBA on, but he has it on
> a lot of cache pages, and that is just plain wrong. If you are
> unfamiliar with the word, google it, and you will find it is a made up
> right word with racist and religious prejudice, which has no place in
> geocaching.
>
> I know the guy did a great job in starting the ISQ, and I respect
> that, and I am sure you do too. Yet, it is an election year and it
> is not right to have so much political rhetoric on the cache pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> zuma
>
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